A sign is supported at its top right corner, point P. The sign is a square with 40 cm on each side and has 8.0 kg mass. What is the magnitude of the horizontal force that P experiences?

I think the best way to do this is to choose the bottom right corner as the pivot point. Then you get 8*9.8*0.2 = p * 0.4

therefore p = 39.2 for the horizontal force

So I choose the bottom right corner as the pivot point. The radial arm up to point P is the length L of the side of the sign, and the horizontal force is perpendicular to this radial arm. The weight acts straight down, so the radial arm perpendicular to the weight is half the length of the side of the sign. This gives

T(clockwise) = T(counterclockwise)
F(horizontal) * L = w * L/2

Which gives F(horizontal) = mg / 2

My question - aren't we now treating the weight as if it were located at the midpoint of the bottom edge of the sign? I don't mind treating the weight as if it is located at the center of the sign, but located at the center of the bottom edge seems a little odd.

To determine the magnitude of the horizontal force at point P, we can consider the torque acting on the sign. Torque is defined as the product of force and the perpendicular distance from the point of rotation.

In this case, the weight of the sign is exerting a torque about point P. Since the sign is a square, the center of mass is located at the midpoint of the sign. Therefore, the perpendicular distance from the point of rotation (P) to the center of mass (CM) is half the length of one side of the square, which is 20 cm or 0.20 m.

The weight of the sign can be calculated using the formula:

Weight = mass × acceleration due to gravity

Weight = 8.0 kg × 9.8 m/s²

Weight = 78.4 N

The torque can be calculated using the formula:

Torque = force × perpendicular distance

Since the sign is in equilibrium, the torque about point P due to the weight of the sign is countered by an equal and opposite torque from the horizontal force at point P.

Therefore,

Torque due to weight = Torque due to horizontal force

Force × 0.20 m = 78.4 N × 0.20 m

Force = 78.4 N

Hence, the magnitude of the horizontal force that point P experiences is 78.4 N.

To determine the magnitude of the horizontal force that point P experiences on the sign, we can use the principle of moments.

The principle of moments states that the sum of the moments acting on an object is zero when the object is in equilibrium. In this case, we want to find the horizontal force at point P, so we need to consider the moments acting on the sign.

Since the sign is supported at its top right corner, point P, we need to consider the gravitational force acting on the sign and the force required to balance it.

First, let's calculate the weight of the sign. The weight, W, is equal to the mass of the sign, m, multiplied by the acceleration due to gravity, g.
W = m * g
W = 8.0 kg * 9.8 m/s^2
W = 78.4 N

The weight acts vertically downwards through the center of gravity of the sign, which is in the middle of the square. The distance from point P to the center of gravity is half the length of one side of the square, which is 20 cm or 0.2 m.

Next, we need to calculate the moment caused by the weight of the sign. The moment, M, is equal to the weight multiplied by the perpendicular distance from the line of action of the force to the point P.
M = W * d
M = 78.4 N * 0.2 m
M = 15.68 N·m

Since the sign is in equilibrium, the sum of the moments acting on it is zero. Therefore, the moment caused by the horizontal force at point P must be equal in magnitude but opposite in direction to the moment caused by the weight of the sign.
M_horizontal = -M
M_horizontal = -15.68 N·m

Finally, we can calculate the magnitude of the horizontal force at point P. The magnitude, F, is equal to the moment divided by the perpendicular distance from the line of action of the force to point P.
F = M_horizontal / d
F = -15.68 N·m / 0.2 m
F = -78.4 N

Therefore, the magnitude of the horizontal force that point P experiences is 78.4 N.