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Posted by **Sara** on Monday, October 26, 2009 at 1:45pm.

HELP: Inital KE of the tire is 1/2*M*V2 + 1/2*I*(V/R)2; both rotational and translational

Final KE = Initial KE - M*g*h where h = 1m * sin(30°).

Also: Initial Velocity is 2.8m/s Mass=10kg radius=.3m and I calculated the angualr momentum to be 4.2

It seems like the help part spells it all out but I still dont get the right answer.

This is what I tried to do:

KEfinal= 1/2(10)(2.8)^2 + 1/2 (10) (2.8)^2 - (10)(9.8)(1 sin 30)

KEfinal= 29.4

29.4= 1/2mv^2

V= sqr(29.4*2/10)=2.42 but this is not the righ answer...I dont know what I am doing wrong

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**bobpursley**, Monday, October 26, 2009 at 1:58pmLook at the second term in your KEfinal line. Is that supposed to be rotational energy? I dont see moment of inertia anywhere in that line.

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**Sara**, Monday, October 26, 2009 at 2:03pmYes, it is supposed to be rotational energy 1/2Iw^2

I=mr^2 (not sure if tire is considerd a hoop) and w=(v/r)2

I combined the two and the r's canceled out...is this correct?

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**bobpursley**, Monday, October 26, 2009 at 2:13pmYes, a tire is a hoop. I= mr^2

rotatioinal energy= 1/2 I w^2=1/2 mr^2 (v/r)^2= 1/2 mv^2

You are right.

Now, at the top, you did calculate the final KE right, however, the tire is still rotating. Final KE has two parts, translational, and rotational. To calculate v, I think you assumed rotational was zero.

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**Sara**, Monday, October 26, 2009 at 2:20pmI just noticed in the previous problem it said to assume that the tires is a solid cylinder

thus Inertia must be I=1/2mr^2

So

(for 1/2Iw^2) I get: 1/2(1/2mr^2)(V/R)^2 )

KEfinal= 1/2mv^2 + 1/4mv^2- mgh

KEfinal= (1/2)(10)(2.8)^2 + (1/4)(10)(2.8)^2 - (10)(9.8)(1sin30)

KEfinal= 39.2 + 19.6 -49= 9.8

KEfinal=9.8

But what now...how do I solve for V?

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**Sara**, Monday, October 26, 2009 at 2:36pmI dont get the correct answer still

This is what I tried:

KEfinal=9.8

9.8= 1/2 mv^2 + 1/4mv^2

9.8/ (0.5*10) + (0.25* 10) = 2V^2

1.307=2V^2

1.307/2= V^2

sqr(1.307/2)=V= 0.808 still not correct though

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**Sara**, Monday, October 26, 2009 at 3:10pmI got it!

9.8= 1/2mv^2 + 1/4mv^2

9.8= (3/4)(mv^2)

[9.8*(4/3)]/m= V^2= 1.307

sqr(1.307)=V= 1.14

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**Brittany**, Tuesday, November 3, 2009 at 11:22pm9.8= 1/2mv^2 + 1/4mv^2

9.8= (3/4)(mv^2)

[9.8*(4/3)]/m= V^2= 1.307

sqr(1.307)=V= 1.14

I have a question.. Why is there 1/2 and 1/4 in the first question.. are they just constants?

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