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Posted by **kb** on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 at 9:38am.

I need help getting started. Ive looked in the book and have no idea where to begin.

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**Count Iblis**, Wednesday, November 19, 2008 at 10:25amHint: What do you think is the pressure of the air in the tank?

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**kb**, Wednesday, November 19, 2008 at 10:34amjust guessing but normal atmospheric pressure

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**kb**, Wednesday, November 19, 2008 at 10:38amPV=nRT ideal gas law is the only thing i got n R T will stay constant i believe so that leaves me with PV so PV of initial vs. PV of final... maybe

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**Count Iblis**, Wednesday, November 19, 2008 at 10:57amThe ideal gas law:

PV = NRT

is certainly valid, but this equation simply tells you that temperature, volume and pressure are related. In this problem the temperature is constant, so what you need to know is the pressure. If you know the pressure then the equation will tell you by what factor the volume has changed.

So, you need to think about the fact that the oressur at a certain dept is higher than at the surface of the water. Why is that? Can you calculate the pressure at a certain dept from first principles (don't look in your book for an equation, you can't learn physics that way)

Hint: forget this particlar problem with the tank for a moment. Consider the water in the lake between the surface and some dept h. This water has a certain weight. Gravity acts on the water. Why doesn't the water accelerate downward? Clearly it doesn't, so there must be a force acting on it in te opposite direction.

This must be the force exerted by the water below accros the surface, i.e. the pressure times the area. But note that the air above the surface also exerts a downward force on the water.

So, you can find the pressure at some dept by demanding that the total force is zero.

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