An arithmetic series has a first term of -4 and a common difference of 1. A geometric series has a first term of 8 and a common ratio of 0.5. After how many terms does the sum of the arithmetic series exceed the sum of the geometric series?

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for the AS

Sn = n/2(-8 + n-1)
= n/2(n-9)

for a GS
Sn = 8(1-.5^n)/(1-.5)
so n/2(n-9) > 8(1-.5^n)/(1-.5)
n/2(n-9) > 16(1-.5^n)
n^2 - 9n > 32 - 32(.5^n)

32(.5)^n + n^2 - 9n - 32 > 0

set it equal to zero and attempt to solve it.

This would be a very nasty equation to solve, except you know that n has to be a whole number, so do some trial and error calculations.

eg. n = 2 we get -38 > 0 which is false
if n = 5 we get -44 > 0 which is false
if n = 20 we get 188 > 0 which is true

So somewhere between n=5 and n=20 there should be a solution

(n=12 ---> 4.0078 > 0 mmmmhhh?)

To find the number of terms at which the sum of the arithmetic series exceeds the sum of the geometric series, we can set up the equations for both series and compare them.

The formula for the sum of an arithmetic series is given by:

Sn = (n/2) * (2a + (n-1)d)

where Sn is the sum of the arithmetic series, n is the number of terms, a is the first term, and d is the common difference.

For the arithmetic series:

a = -4 (first term)
d = 1 (common difference)

The formula for the sum of a geometric series is given by:

Sn = a * (1 - r^n) / (1 - r)

where Sn is the sum of the geometric series, n is the number of terms, a is the first term, and r is the common ratio.

For the geometric series:

a = 8 (first term)
r = 0.5 (common ratio)

Let's compare the sums of the series. We want to find the smallest value of n for which the sum of the arithmetic series exceeds the sum of the geometric series.

(n/2) * (2a + (n-1)d) > a * (1 - r^n) / (1 - r)

Substituting the given values into the equation, we have:

(n/2) * (2*(-4) + (n-1)*1) > 8 * (1 - (0.5)^n) / (1 - 0.5)

Simplifying further:

(n/2) * (-8 + n-1) > 8 * (1 - 0.5^n) / 0.5

(n/2) * (n-9) > 16 * (1 - 0.5^n)

We want to find the smallest value of n such that this inequality is satisfied. To do this, we can evaluate the inequality for different values of n until we find the smallest solution.

Alternatively, we can use a numerical method like trial and error, or use a graphing tool to plot the equation and identify the point at which the two series cross over.