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Posted by **Gulzaman** on Monday, August 27, 2007 at 11:17pm.

CAN YOU CHECK MY WORK PLEASE?

0.15 mol/L * 0.12 L = 0.018 mol acetic acid

0.2 mol/L * 0.03 L = 0.006 mol NaOH

0.018 - 0.006 = 0.012 mol of acetic acid in excess

pH = pKa + log (acid/base)

pH = 4.76 + log (0.006/0.018)

pH = 4.3

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**DrBob222**, Monday, August 27, 2007 at 11:28pm**Almost.**

0.15 mol/L * 0.12 L = 0.018 mol acetic acid**OK**

0.2 mol/L * 0.03 L = 0.006 mol NaOH**OK**

0.018 - 0.006 = 0.012 mol of acetic acid in excess**very good**

pH = pKa + log (acid/base)

**The next step is where you went wrong. 0.006 is the number of mol of base (acetate ion) formed. But 0.012 is the mol of acetic acid remaining. (acetate ion; the base) = 0.006 mols/0.150 L) = ??**

(acetic acid; the acid) = 0.012 mol/0.150 L = ??

pH = 4.76 + log (base/acid) etc.

I obtained 4.459 which rounds to 4.46. I am posting this now to get the mistake to you as fast as possible; however, I will make another post to explain about the ratio so be sure to come back and read it.

pH = 4.76 + log (0.006/0.018)

pH = 4.3

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**DrBob222**, Monday, August 27, 2007 at 11:44pmAbout the ratio. Note that I showed acetate ion = 0.006/0.150 = 0.0400 M and acetic acid = 0.012/0.150 = 0.0800 M. Note that you did not use the 150 mL anywhere. Technically, it isn't correct to use just mols in the log term of log [(base)/(acid)] although the answer comes out the same. If you write log (0.006/0/012) we get log 1/2 and if we write log (0.040/0.080) we still get log 1/2. So what's the difference? The equation says to use concentration base/acid and if we write 0.006/0.012 we are using mols and not concentration. Now, it is true that the volume of 150 mL (0.150 L) cancels and it is also true that no matter what problem we have, the volume will ALWAYS cancel so using mols always gives the correct answer BUT mols and concentration are not the same. I always told my students that I would count off if they used mols because, technically, that wasn't correct (even though they got the right answer). Some complained that the extra step just took up valuable time and I countered with doing it the following way.

log[(base)/(acid)] = log (0.006/V)/(0.012/V) = log(0.006/0.012) = log 1/2. That way, (using the V for the volume)(or just writing it as log (0.006/0.150)/(0.012/0.150) = log 1/2 since the 0.150 cancels OR the V cancels) shows that the student recognizes that the number that goes there is the concentration. Not writing a V or not writing the actual volume (then letting it cancel) doesn't recognize that point. I hope this isn't too long winded but I wanted you to know why I worked it the long way to begin with. By the way, I assume you just picked up the wrong number of 0.018 for the acid or you would have had the correct answer originally. I hope this helps.

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**Gulzaman**, Monday, August 27, 2007 at 11:33pmDr. Bob, where did you get the 0.150L from? I will keep my eyes open for the explanation as well.

- For Dr.Bob222 (chem work) -
**DrBob222**, Monday, August 27, 2007 at 11:45pmYou had 120 mL of acetic acid and added 30 mL NaOH which make a total of 150 mL or 0.150 L.

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